
Now the big question: will the use of Web 2.0 and collaborative technologies do more than just highlight intellectually mature youth, and actually help to promote, encourage, and support this learning style? If so, are we ready for it? Some of what he says is going to be very hard to hear for teachers, and will feel threatening--maybe especially because of its accuracy. It's one thing to hear a teacher say some of these things, it's quite another to hear them from a freshman in high school. How would the learning environment of 9th grade, for example, have to change when you have a classroom full of youth this intellectually independent?
Notes:
- Arthus started by seeing someone with a blog, and then starting his own. Was a technical interest, then moved to the subject of education. Started at age 11, HTML websites at 12, PHP at 13.
- Really likes Twitter.
- He thinks that schools teach students to "fear technology" and to really only use it for limited things and not for deeper conversations.
- He doesn't feel that he is any danger in the web. The only precaution he takes is the pseudonym. Has never had anything weird happen to him on the web.
- His school has a good number of computers, and is relatively well-funded, and even though they buy new computers every couple of years, the teachers don't engage with them or use them actively in the classroom. Would really like to see his school go to a 1:1 laptop program.
- Outside of school he spends "quite a few hours" a day on the computer. He is not a gamer, though.
- He feels that his life is in balance. He does school clubs. He feels comfortable turning off the computer to do other things. Believes that not using games (a "strict" rule he made for himself) has helped him not become "addicted." (Pretty self-disciplined!) Feels that one of the most important things is to have a "set task" when you get on the computer.
- He was the one who decided to use a different name online to protect his privacy, but his mom is glad he did. Even though his mom doesn't personally use technology very much, she is very understanding of his interests.
- Twitter is the "realization" of his network, since you can see what everyone is thinking and doing. You can also ask questions--almost like a "better Google." Twitter is not distracting to him. He feels he can ignore if he needs to, and he also purposely limits the number of people that he is going to follow. He's been blogging for a year, but once he got on Twitter it was amazing how interactive things became.
- Doesn't like MySpace (interface is "shoddy"). Likes Facebook. Can easily eat up 30 - 60 minutes a day on Facebook. Uses Google Docs (formal things) and Zoho Notebook (planning). Uses Del.icio.us for social bookmarking. Hasn't used wikis very much. Uses Feedburner for tracking. Uses Quizlet.
- Is considering doing a student-run session at the SLA EduCon.
- Most of the people he knows who are older just use email and search, don't do any of the "pro-sumer" aspects of web. But same could be said of his own generation--many use social networking, but not other aspects.
- He's interested in education because he is in the education system right now. Feels that when students come to school their (technology) "tentacles" are cut off. He knows that there is bad stuff out there, but the problem is that we are fearing the technology instead of the content.
- If teachers are worried about the use of laptops in class for things that aren't related to class, then maybe teachers should be thinking about why students wouldn't be paying attention. Students should have an option of whether they want to pay attention. It's not a given that students will pay attention if you are not talking about something they care about. This whole technology is really good at bringing out the flaws that might be in the system.
- The current learning system--one task, one person teaching--will just not be relevant in the future. And it's not reflective of what college or work life are like. The education system owes it to students to prepare them for that world. We shouldn't necessarily be teaching the tools, but teaching the thought processes that go into them. The teachers owe it to themselves and their students to be learning these new Web technologies.
- If he had to pick one technology for an educator to start learning, it would be Twitter. It is the easiest one to use, and is so powerful. Also, if he had one message for his high school teachers for the next four years: they really need to stop being so disconnected from the technology. It's not about learning the knowledge, but the thinking.
- He has a cell phone, but he doesn't text. Doesn't have a text plan, so it would be expensive. He doesn't watch TV, but watches some NBC shows online. He has an iPod video, but he's never bought a video--the screen is to small. He has 3,965 songs on his iPod--would be twelve straight days to listen to all of them. He listens to his iPod constantly, all day long, whenever he can. He doesn't feel that having the earphones in stops him from socializing. He values face-to-face speaking a lot.
- He does worry about youth using technologies for "stupid" purposes: YouTube videos that shouldn't be public, that you wouldn't want a college administrator looking at. Has never seen an example of cyber-bullying. His computers at home are not filtered, and he runs the "networks" in his home.
(It is important to note that I spoke with Arthus's mother prior to conducting the interview to make sure she was comfortable with this level of exposure. )
Cross-posted from www.stevehargadon.com
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This kid really makes some great points. I'd like to hear some responses from school district technology leaders about his thoughts on the use of technology in schools. He certainly seems to have a pretty good handle on technology.
ReplyDeleteArthus rocks. Just wish I could write blog posts as good as he does :). It has been fascinating watching how he interacts with us educators. I interact with a similar teenager here in Western Australia who has been on our Web association committee for 2 years (he is 16) and is totally into programming. We can learn so much from these guys.
ReplyDeleteSorry to say, but I'd like to reinforce your point that this is not your typical student. In fact, it sounds a lot like the kind of smart-ass, loner kid you get in each year group who doesn't make many friends.
ReplyDeleteRemember that learning's about making connections in the real world as well! :-)
Wow. Just plain wow.
ReplyDeleteHaving just come from a conference where I converted my online friends into "real" friends, I know that the friendships and connections I make here are very "real" and very important. And, I am glad that Arthus is part of my network.
ReplyDeleteWhat really says a lot about Arthus is his apparent critical approach to the Web and grounded ideas of perception and reality.
ReplyDeleteVoices like Arthus are needed within the educational community and I for one hope he does lead a student EduCon session full of "Smart-ass kids" because these are the voices of change that many aren't hearing or simply placing ridiculous labels on so that they don't have to hear them.
So who is this "Doug" person anyway? He's completely slipped under my radar -which doesn't necessarily mean anything at all, but you'd think making those types of comments to a student, he'd cover himself a little better.
ReplyDeleteHaving Googled him, he looks about 15, he has multiple blogs, one dubiously named "Musings from a Wannabe Genius".
Sorry Doug, being a doctoral student does not make you a genius -but I qualify for Mensa (quit paying dues -I figure I know my IQ so who cares?). If you need help, I'd be happy to guide you to the exam -and even THAT does not make you a genius!If you are a classroom teacher, I'd hate to see how you talk about your own students in your school lunchroom. With all of those blogs, a baby, and a docoral program, as well as claiming to be a true geek, when can you possibly teach?
In closing I'd just like to add: I would give my eye teeth for a room full of Arthus-types, smart-ass or otherwise. Thank you very much!
Remember that teaching is about making connections with students as well!
In my experience (and that's the only experience I can talk from, after all) those 14 year-olds who seek to participate in higher-level adult discourse usually alienate themselves from their peers.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Arthus is a well-rounded individual with healthy sporting interests, a girlfriend and the ability to engage in small-talk about popular culture. :-)
So to reply to some of the comments which followed mine:
@Arthus: I wasn't attacking you per se but those who hold you up as some sort of paradigm. Sorry if you took it too personally.
Kevin: Obviously not, don't be facetious...
Clare: Thanks for accusing me of attacking someone and then having a go at me yourself. Sounds somewhat self-defeating...
As for not connecting with my students, I don't need to defend the amount of hours I put into the educational system. Those who have made connections with me will know that. But this isn't about me, it's about something deeper, which I shall no doubt blog about in the future.
Now, if you'll excuse me, it's been a long 8-week half-term... :-p
It's so easy to write off my voice as that of some smart-assed kid who is not representative of students? No need to change, anyone who isn't satisfied is just a smart ass loner?
ReplyDeleteWell I've got news for you bud. Though most students might not be talking on a higher level, the problems I am discussing apply to all students. Ask most kids and they'll say they aren't engaged in school.
@Doug: Calling me a smart-ass loner certainly sounds a lot like attacking me... as for me not playing any sports or having an ability to talk about "normal" stuff with my peers.. you can't have the feintest ideas. (And it's a yes on both fronts)
Arthus, to re-iterate. I am not attacking you. If it sounded like I did, I apologise.
ReplyDeleteWhat you don't realise as a 14 year-old - and sorry if this sounds patronising but it's the way the world works - is that people are using you to try and demonstrate a point.
The trouble is, their point isn't valid.
(you may want to read my blog for my thoughts on what I do with the students in my classes)
@Doug I've got news for you mate, but I'm not some marionette with strings being pulled by 'point-proving' school 2.0 zealots. Nobody told me to write on my blog, nobody tells me what to say, and none of my teachers are encouraging me to say this.
ReplyDeleteI've been writing this stuff on my blog far before I even talked to anyone in the edublogesphere.
As for their point (and mine) being invalid, give me one good reason.
P.S.: By making it sound like I'm stupid enough to be manipulated, you are once again attacking me and my credibility. If my point is invalid, what is the need?
Doug,
ReplyDeleteHow you get from...
"Sorry to say, but I'd like to reinforce your point that this is not your typical student."
to
"...people are using you to try and demonstrate a point. The trouble is, their point isn't valid."
through
"In fact, it sounds a lot like the kind of smart-ass, loner kid you get in each year group who doesn't make many friends."
is the problem.
I'm sure that in a f2f conversation, Arthus included, we'd all come pretty close to agreement that students participating in this level discourse is unusual. We may even draw on some stereotypes from our past experience, like you mention.
The problem now is that this is pieced together online. We've all been around the Internet long enough to be damn careful when getting close to that fine line of "this could be blown completely out of context".
In this case you drove over it with a dump truck.
I was hoping to come back this morning and see that you backed off the lawn. I looks like you are driving circles.
1) Wrap it up with Arthus.
2) Explain to the rest of us how we are using Arthus to demonstrate and invalid point.
Be very careful as you back up. If it's going to mean ripping up more lawn, skip step #2. get out of the truck and walk away.
I'm going to respond to this on my blog in the next few days. It's one of the few places in the edublogosphere that doesn't suffer from 'nodding dog syndrome'...
ReplyDeleteHey Doug --
ReplyDeleteSince you have not posted your blog yet -- I felt it would be prudent to chat with you here --
I need you first and foremost to know that not everyone is fitting into the 'nodding dog syndrome'. And to seem to lump the entire blogosphere into that label I feel is unfortunate and unfair to many.
I have enjoyed getting to know Arthus but I will not be one to jump on the bandwagon quite yet. And I would implore educators who are learning so much from Arthus to perhaps talk and get to know their own students too!!
But what bothers me the most is your word choice and on that, I do need to take you to task.
Regardless of your feelings, your beliefs, or your judgements -- you posted very unfortunate (and also unprofessional) verbage on the blog. Whether you are or are not dealing with students, the word choice you used was so inappropriate. We have a professional obligation to demonstrate comment etiquette to our students at all times. Even when we might vehemently disagree with what we have read.
I believe any other word choices would not have stirred the firestorm which I think is still to come.......and unfortunately I think that this topic is going to get way more blog space than it really should.
I am looking forward to reading your post. I would love to see your thought process which caused you to post those words in the first place.
JWagner
"Teachers as model posters."
ReplyDeleteOkay, now, let's go back to actually analyzing content and discussing relevancy with some modicum of decorum, shall we?
@Kelly I agree that some students have far more time than teachers - it really is highly variable based upon the classes a student is taking as well as activities they participate in. Plus, if a student has a part-time job that's 20 or 30 fewer hours a week they have. However, you have inspired me to do a statistical analysis. Henceforth, I'll be tracking the time I spend on various activities (using FreshBooks).
ReplyDeleteRegarding bandwidth for social media, why is it that you can't get more bandwidth? Does the government put a bandwidth cap total bandwidth? I know there are laws requiring filtering of inappropriate materials, but I didn't know there are laws dictating total use? (If so, they are rather stupid) Where are you based? Across the pond? I know my school at least is putting in pure fiber optic (10 mbps) connection - can't wait to get on it.
Oh My gentlemen...this has become an on-line clash of egos. We need to get back on track...judging is not part of the formula...is it?
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